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标题: 【1月复评专访】李耕夫:我获得了一个沉静的机会 [打印本页]

作者: 童末    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
标题: 【1月复评专访】李耕夫:我获得了一个沉静的机会
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';"><br/><img alt="" src="http://www.heilan.com/images_tie/media.jpg"/><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-bidi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">【</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">1</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-bidi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">月复评专访】李耕夫:我获得了一个沉静的机会</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:《圣地之路》什么时候开始写的?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:嗯,秋天,下午,阳光灿烂。我那时候在看科埃略。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:这个是谁?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:巴西作家。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:秋天,阳光灿烂,科埃略——听起来很小资。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:是吗?其实我在受困。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:受困?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我觉得我的生活不尽人意。我应该去新疆或者内蒙古。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:这对你的写作有影响吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:有。如果有,就是让我去幻想和改变。我和大多数人不同,我崇拜新英格兰极端个人主义。你知道作家和学者都是不同程度的理想主义者。人一生有一个关键的年龄,有一个分野。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:生活的不尽如人意,在你最新的这篇小说里制造阴影了吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:大概有。阴影,是好的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:这篇小说的写作日期,是在你找工作期间吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:嗯,是的。那时候国家人事局已经开始行动了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:在你找工作找得心急如焚,觉得人生不尽人意的同时创作小说,会不会伤害到你的创作?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:不会的,我获得了一个沉静的机会。你知道,这些都是自己制造的好机会。我觉得那种状态是一生最好的体验了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:就像沉到游泳池底部,就听不到水面上的嘈杂声?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:真好,这个比方。就是我不会游泳。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:您很幽默——冷笑话式的。但是,难道这样不困难?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:不困难呀。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:进入写作状态后,现实问题就干涉不到你了?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:是的,就是这个意思。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你确定你不是把创作小说当作逃避现实的手段?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我很确定。就是那样的,写字的人最为幸福的时光就是在安静的环境中干活了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你的小说细节感很强,那是你故意的,还是你本人就是如此,很注意照顾到细节?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:大概是新小说的影响,我觉得我从中得到的最直接的就是这种影响。当然这是肤浅的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:这有什么肤浅不肤浅啊?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:新小说绝对不能从细节和客观两个层面去理解,但是新小说在艺术求真上能很轻易地影响人,使学习者获得一种摹写现实的很有效的手段。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:嗯。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:你也同意啊?!</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:我没有思考过这个问题。我只觉得要警惕阅读的影响。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:黑蓝首页的主张是当年新小说的主张,但很多人对此的理解是肤浅的。作为本体存在的小说他们都提过。互文是不可避免的,文学没有纯粹的独创性,好的作家有时候并不是在创造,而是在对原型进行转换和变形。我在胡扯了,从德里达到原型批评。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:(开始迷糊……)我们说回你这次的小说吧。谈谈它的创作过程。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:好的。当我反观那个小说,我觉得谈的只能是失败的教训。我有一个观念的预设,就是要加强分析的力度,此前我在看《无知》和《</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">11</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">分钟》。我有这样的习惯,就是在研读某个作家的时候,一定要按照该作家的趣味模仿,借此掌握那些手段。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:……</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:呵呵。我也不知道说什么了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:一般来说,那些意识到自己受了影响,意识到自己在模仿的写作者,难道不是会对模仿喊停吗?你却反其道而行之。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我使之混杂,以图突围之法。学得多了,当然不是坏事啊。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你就没有对自己的“风格”,或者说对“属于自己的东西”的担心?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:当然,时刻有,每个时代每个人都有,艺术史就是个性史。上辈人可以把下辈人逼得无路可走。但学习是必须的。索莱尔就是对新小说不满,才在此基础上对小说的逻辑进行反叛的。<br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:我没看过《圣地之路》。如果让你现在向我介绍一下它,你会怎么说?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:有时间看看。有些片段我觉得是好的,有些句子也是好的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:为什么不提到整体?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:整体,你说的是作品的建筑吧。当然这是必须的,写作起步是就应该对此进行训练。我努力在做。我看同仁们都很注意这个问题。但是这是传统观念。我们可以在写得不错的时候、有把握的时候,对它蔑视之。我想黑蓝有很多人可以这样干了。这应该是我们的时代,我们可以享受的权利。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:传统观念在你看来可以被摒弃?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:当然。我们在</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">21</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">世纪,不是在巴尔扎克时期。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:那么又有一个老问题来了:如何在摒弃与继承之间找到平衡?不知道这个你思考过没有。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:没有。我觉得文学应该在业余搞。平衡,对于断代的写作来说,只存在于新的观念当中。文学应该是极端的呀!人生飘忽百年定嘛。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:我觉得对待文学的态度应该极端一些,文字上的极端不是每个人都做得来。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:嗯。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:不知道你说的极端是指什么方面。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:操守啊,我们对于文学新建制的操守和自觉。而且艺术美学应该依据尼采的观点,应该建立在奴隶主道德一方,作家应该充分享受奴隶主道德的权利。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:我也是这么想的。我觉得应该有人养着我,让我衣食无忧地搞创作。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:呵呵。我想,想养你的人应该很多的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你说的是这个意思不?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:不是。就是我们可以胡搞,而不必关注受众。你知道《尼罗河传》和凡高的画就是这样的典型。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:不知……(崩溃)</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:(无视记者的崩溃继续说下去)为什么不能打破整体观念?福尔斯启示早在上上世纪末就已经向我们提出了现代文学艺术面临的突破性问题了,我们已经身在其中,再谈那些老问题就很落后了。当然我觉得还是应该对此进行全方位练习,而后再图之。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你准备用多少时间做这种练习?有没有一个个人计划?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:很长时间。没有计划。当我沉稳了以后。实际上黑蓝已经有很多人有实力可以这样干了。总之在老道成熟了之后吧。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:《圣地之路》进了第十三届小说季度奖的复评,你对它有所期待吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:基本没有。我觉得没什么期待,因为有很多很好的小说,它们的呼声很高。我只有一票,还是<personname productid="宇文光宇" wst="on"></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname>宇文光宇<personname></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname>先生一个人投的,我很感谢!这个关键的动作起到了一定的作用,最起码可以让人注意一下。天那,我倒很想拿到</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">1000</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">块。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你是指获奖小说的奖金吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:嗯啊。那可以让我富一阵子。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:呵呵。宇文光的投票是对这个作品的一种肯定,对你来说是这样的吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:大概是的,一个鼓励。我其实很关注这个奖项。我想很多人都想拿这个奖。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:是的。只不过他们不说。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:他们好虚伪啊!</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你自己还不是!还说没什么期待!你也想拿奖对不?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:嗯,是的。我关心自己远胜于关心他人。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:关心自己的什么?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:文学生命。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你对《圣地之路》后面的跟帖评论怎么看?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我喜欢说好话的!这说明我还没有获得奴隶主道德。评论肯定有两种,牛皮的人是不予理会的,当你很在意它们就说明你还是菜鸟。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:牛皮也不是一天两天练出来的……<br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:当然当然。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:赵松说到的“最不需要由情绪支配……”,你怎么看?虽然你喜欢说好话的,我还是决定让你难受一下。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:哈哈,你真残忍!我竭力让我的东西摆脱<personname productid="赵" wst="on"></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname>赵<personname></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname><personname></personname>老师谈的那类小说,但他给出了一个很合理的警示,那样划分也是合情合理的。也是在理的吧,出现了两个合理。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:“有点定力,还需要有自得其乐的劲儿,就像一个人在玩一种游戏一样,乐在其中,它最不需要的,就是情绪,最需要的,是趣味,意味,出神,游离或者其它的什么。”——你是想摆脱这类小说?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我觉得那个分类是正确的也是错误的。我的初衷不是写那类,写成后给人那类的感觉,就是这个意思。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:为什么呢?那类小说在你对小说的认识中并不适合你?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:是的。适合老博尔赫斯。我不奢望写那类小说,小本科生嘛。我觉得凌丁应该能写。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:另外几篇进入复评的小说你看了没?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:《事故》看了前几段,还说了句话呢。《大》也是,看了前几段。《走》全看了。我很惊讶生铁推荐《走》。他的审判力真是与众不同。他的意见老和别人不同。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:是啊。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我觉得他是一个聪明的人。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:……你聪明吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我觉得啊,我不聪明。笨得要命。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:关于这个小说你自己还有什么特别想说的吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:不了。让我们期待</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">ZOEOZ</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">、老圈和江南一只猪的高见吧。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:真不说?开篇的“献给</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">cxy</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">”,你不准备就这个说几句吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:这个没什么好说的呀。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你现在不肯说,为什么当初要写在小说前面?!</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:我觉得你的工作真辛苦。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:你真讨厌!你说了我就少辛苦很多,知道不?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:哈哈哈!我觉得给女的写小说,既可讨得喜欢,又可展现才华,关键可成为一种动力。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">cxy</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">看过这篇没?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:看过。她说写得挺好的,她很喜欢。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:对你是一种鼓励吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:是的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:和黑蓝把小说奖颁给这个小说相比呢?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">李耕夫:那我情愿要</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">1000</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">块钱。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:哪个女的肯跟你哟!</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者童末&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">发自南京上海路<img alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.heilan.com/images_tie/media_3.gif" border="0" twffan="done" style="CURSOR: pointer;"/></span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span></p>
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作者: 袁群    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
靠!这个采访绝对是高水准的,,,我要深刻领悟一下!~~~[em03][em03]
作者: 陈卫    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
访、谈得真是太好了。看得我难过死了。
作者: 袁群    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<p>采访的出入,松紧,起承转合都水到渠成,自然老到。整个采访氛围恰到好处,效果舒服无比。而且李耕夫也说得不错!</p><p>再学习!</p>
作者: 隐忍    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'mso-hansi-font-family:\';">记者:哪个女的肯跟你哟!</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span>
作者: 欲望的旋涡    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>童末</i>在2007-1-5 20:49:23的发言:</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记者:哪个女的肯跟你哟!</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span></p><br/></div><p>嘎嘎!</p>
作者: 阿呆    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>童末</i>在2007-1-5 20:49:23的发言:</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';"><br/><img alt="" src="http://www.heilan.com/images_tie/media.jpg"/><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-bidi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">【</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;">1</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-bidi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">月复评专访】李耕夫:我获得了一个沉静的机会</span></strong><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"/></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'mso-hansi-font-family:\';">李耕夫:不是。就是我们可以胡搞,而不必关注受众。你知道《尼罗河传》和凡高的画就是这样的典型。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'mso-hansi-font-family:\';">记者:不知……(崩溃)</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><br/></span></p></div><p></p><p>[em06][em06]</p><p>目前来看,你的思路比你的作品更牛逼!</p>
作者: 李耕夫    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
我们是老乡,又是一个系统的,就别骂我了,哈
作者: 李耕夫    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
这种采访是出丑的好机会
作者: 童末    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>李耕夫</i>在2007-1-6 12:07:33的发言:</b><br/>这种采访是出丑的好机会</div><p>李耕夫是个谦虚的好同志。</p>
作者: 蘑菇鸟    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<p>好厉害!!看来要好好用功了……</p>
作者: 冯与蓝    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<p>老李很认真!</p><p>另,我给你论坛币八你要多少?</p><p>不是炫富哦我的意思是……拿了论坛币你要对cxy同志更鞍前马后一点呀~~~~~</p>
作者: 欲望的旋涡    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
妈的,也给我一些嘛,老子亏了很多!
作者: 冯与蓝    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<p>…………</p><p>你贴个小说我就给你钱!要最新达!等着看哪!</p>
作者: 李耕夫    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>冯与蓝</i>在2007-1-7 17:53:23的发言:</b><br/><p>老李很认真!</p><p>另,我给你论坛币八你要多少?</p><p>不是炫富哦我的意思是……拿了论坛币你要对cxy同志更鞍前马后一点呀~~~~~</p></div><p></p>多多宜善。出手大方一些,要尽量体现领导对下属的关怀。不过你的条件太苛刻了
作者: 欲望的旋涡    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
那等我贴小说的时候你要把全部的钱给我
作者: 李耕夫    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
金正日同志,不要这么残忍嘛
作者: 欲望的旋涡    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
主要老子炒股亏得太多,现在小说限制级还在一路走低,熊市正未有穷期
作者: 李耕夫    时间: 2007-8-4 13:41
哈哈后,同情




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