【BB专访】06-11-19 高原：公正性毋庸质疑

童末

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';"><img alt="" src="http://www.heilan.com/images_tie/media.jpg" border="0"/>【</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">BB</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">专访】</span><font face="Times New Roman"><chsdate isrocdate="False" islunardate="False" day="19" month="11" year="2006" wst="on"></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><span lang="EN-US">06-11-19&nbsp; </span><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate><chsdate></chsdate></font></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：公正性毋庸质疑</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：和以往相比，这期复评感觉如何？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：感觉和以往差不多，没多大变化。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：水准上呢？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：没多大起伏。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：也没多大亮点？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：总不能期期都跟灯泡似的。能照亮自己就行了。能不能照亮别人不好说。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：照亮你？还是作者本人？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：作者本人。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：做这批访谈，也许让瓦数更大些。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：作品又不是手摇发电。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：什么样的小说能博得你的好感？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：你指的好感，是觉得作品写得好，还是我真心喜欢？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：两者有区别吗？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：区别大了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：说说。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：写得好，我不见得喜欢。好作品有个无形的标准在那，但我不一定就喜欢达到这个标准的作品。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：嗯。写得好你又不喜欢的作品是怎样的？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：趣味不相投的。比如写农村作品的我就没法喜欢，这有个人经历因素。推荐的我也有不喜欢的，我之所以推荐是因为矬子里拔将军，或者是提供了一些相对新鲜的语言形式的小说。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：嗯。比如哪几期有这样的情况？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：这就别单提另地择了。（注：择，音同“宅”）</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：对于候选小说中你可能会选择推荐的作品，你是看重整体效果，还是看重某一个点上作者的出色之处？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：这个恐怕不能分开说吧，作者的出色之处或者个人风格也正是通过整体上体现出来的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：那比如说，有个作品语言上特别出色，但是结构又有明显缺陷，你会不会推荐？还是会求稳？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：你说的这个现象好象不存在，语言上特别出色的作者，在结构上不会差得没谱。或者说，结构即便有瑕疵，那也没什么了不起的。后天可以通过训练来弥补，语言也一样，只是先天的因素稍微大一些而已。勤奋是种子，完美就是果实。我现在还拿不准你说的明显的缺陷是到什么程度，尤其短篇小说结构是非常重要的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：没有实例，我自己假设的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：……</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><br/></font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：“语言也一样，只是先天的因素稍微大一些而已。”——你这和昨天废狗说的正好相反，他认为语言是最容易通过训练习得的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：那就让他这么一直认为下去吧，都别告诉他。这是很幸福的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：你比废狗还坏！</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：不许冲被访者大喊大叫。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：那你推荐《悬巢》的理由和废狗（“想象力”）相同么？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：不要老拿我和他比嘛，废老师住地下室住惯了，不食人间烟火。而且，我发现很多写小说的人有个误区，写现实的就是想象力匮乏，写超现实的、魔幻的就是想象力的翅膀张开了。我认为的想象力，是语言的想象力，而不是脑子里产生出的千奇百怪的念头。<br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">推荐《悬巢》的理由是它的语感好，看着舒服，当然语言的想象力也好，是多方面的，包括作者的感受力和观察能力。就是说，作者的综合素质比较过硬。<br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">这个作者实在过于聪明了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：哪方面？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：文体方面。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：也许她做过文体委员。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：别蒙我，没这个委员。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：有的。文艺</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">+</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">体育。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：阅读小说对你评判小说有什么影响不？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：是指阅读论坛上的小说还是？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：书籍阅读，经典小说什么的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：基本没什么影响了吧，我这个岁数，对小说的价值观念已经基本定型了。况且，经典小说也已经是过去时了，也没必要拿它和现在的小说去对比什么。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：嗯。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：从第八届开始、你当小说奖评委以来，打动了你且是个好小说的作品有吗？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：好小说不少，打动了的也是只某个部分或某几处细节，从头打动到尾的没有。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：从头打动到尾，估计看的人也得快不行了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：不行了你就给做人工呼吸。全身按摩也可以。再不行就刮个痧。你总得做点什么吧，年轻人出力长力。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：你就贫去吧你。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：小说作者和小说奖评委如果关系过近的话，是好还是不好？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：无所谓好不好。这个一点影响没有。公正性是毋庸质疑的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：那如果我想拿奖，跟评委套瓷这招是没用咯？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">高原：那你得分跟谁套。反正跟我还多少管点用，别人就够戗了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末：……</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">您的记者童末&nbsp; </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">发自愁云惨淡的南京鼓楼</span><img alt="" src="http://www.heilan.com/images_tie/media_3.gif" border="0"/></p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-11-19 22:01:44编辑过]

井井回

<p>“写现实的就是想象力匮乏，写超现实的、魔幻的就是想象力的翅膀张开了。我认为的想象力，是语言的想象力，而不是脑子里产生出的千奇百怪的念头。”</p><p></p><p><span lang="EN-US">好像有个牛人说过，对现实生活的想象往往是（最）难的。<br/></span></p>

袁群

很好。

欲望的旋涡

<p>“想象力”是很宽泛的</p><p>另外秀签名</p>

衙内

个批人！

RemonLe

<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'times new roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'times new roman\';">这个作者实在过于聪明了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'times new roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'times new roman\';">童末：哪方面？</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'times new roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'times new roman\';">高原：文体方面。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'times new roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'times new roman\';">童末：也许她做过文体委员。</span></p><p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'times new roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'times new roman\';"></span>&nbsp;</p><p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'times new roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'times new roman\';">小骗子！！！</span><span lang="EN-US"><p><br/></p></span></p><p><br/></p>[em01][em01][em01]