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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';"><img src="http://www.heilan.com/images_tie/media.jpg" border="0" alt=""/>【</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">BB</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">专访】</span><font face="Times New Roman"><chsdate wst="on" isrocdate="False" islunardate="False" day="28" month="11" year="2006"><span lang="EN-US">06-11-28</span></chsdate><span lang="EN-US">
</span></font></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:黑蓝对真实世界缺乏经验<br/><br/></span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span></b><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">1975</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">年生,作家,现居海口。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:听说过黑蓝文学网么?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:听说过,赵松说的,我去那里贴过一个剧本。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:噢?没用真名贴吧?!</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:没有,用杜乐村贴的,很早以前。后来我的剧本太长,贴不上去,就没再贴过东西。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:那后来还去逛过没有?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:去过,知道那里有小说大赛啊哈。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:全称是“黑蓝小说季度奖”。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:嗯:)你也每次都参加吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:它不用你参加,每个月会有版主选作品到网刊里面,这些被选的作品就是候选。所以只要在小说版贴小说,就等于参加。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:那你呢?是评委?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:不是啦。我是记者。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:你目前还写小说么?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:最近写了一篇小说。但是很不好。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:你好像和戏剧打交道比较多。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我写过几个剧本,但是,和戏剧打交道也不多。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:嘿嘿,我看到你在黑蓝贴的剧本:《孟姜女》。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:不好意思,那是第一个剧本,很笨拙的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:你在网上的文学交流多么?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:不多,我没有什么网友,也很少上论坛。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:那作品通过什么交流呢?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:基本上没什么交流。我很少上文学论坛,以前去过诗生活、黑蓝,但现在也很少去了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:谈谈你对黑蓝的印象。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我可能没什么发言权。那是一帮先锋派活动的场所。我对先锋有一定的怀疑。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:你这个“先锋”的印象是来源于论坛上面的作品,还是?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:论坛上活跃的人,以及黑蓝这个网站的主要人员,都是比较前卫的。从他们写的东西可以看出来。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:都看过黑蓝哪些人的作品?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:赵松、余地,还有一些人我看过,但是名字记不太牢了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:那,哪段时期你上黑蓝比较多?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我想想啊,去年到今年吧。但最近没去。有时候查一些外国小说的译作,我也会查到这个网站。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:嗯。你说的先锋,是指技巧,还是观念,还是什么?</span><font face="Times New Roman">
</font><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我觉得先锋派是靠玩观念著名的,都是一些观念狂人。观念上,他们强调奇特的小说观念,叙事手法上玩新奇的花样,在语言上,则学习国外的小说的语言。而我个人喜欢强调肌理的复杂和语言的清晰性。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:所以,这是你“对先锋怀疑”的原因?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我以前也喜欢过一阵子先锋小说,不过现在觉得观念的新奇不重要。重要的是观念后面的经验是不是很深厚。“先锋”们对现实世界基本上不考虑——这是我怀疑先锋派最大的原因。他们的东西,根本不指涉现实,而完全是他们自己智力的构造,就像纯诗那样的东西。当然,他们是纯智力。他们的东西是封闭在自身内部的,是自足的。但我可能不太赞同这一点。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:你提到智力和经验。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:智力确实是必要的辅助,它是为了将经验呈现出来服务的。但我的意思是还要往前走。是的,有一些人已经做得很好了,赵松、余地都不错,当然还有些我记不上名字了,但看了觉得挺好。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:可能方向不同吧。或者是,对以前的作者运用语言的方式觉得不新鲜。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:嗯。你说得对,他们是“对以前的作者运用语言的方式觉得不新鲜”,但我觉得他们把语言当成符号玩智力游戏时,他们是扬短避长。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:短是指?长是指?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:文字语言的优势在于它承载生活经验,这是它的长,就像符号语言的优势在于可以用来进行纯智力的活动,而这对文字来说,是它的短。我的意思是,如果要写诗和小说,就多在经验上下功夫,语言以经验为轴心运转。而如果想证明自己的智力,那最好去学数学和科学。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:你觉得这种由网站设立小说奖,定期评奖、颁奖的模式,会对写作者起什么样的作用?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我觉得这是一种象征性的荣誉,会起什么作用,我还没分析过。我想吧,得奖太早,据说不是什么好事。如果是已经到了六七十岁,则得任何奖都不会影响到作家的创作。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:嗯。但是黑蓝小说奖有一个宗旨或者说指导精神,就是鼓励年轻作者,而且到现在为止,得奖者平均年龄都在</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">30</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">岁以下,照你“据说不是什么好事”的说法,这个现象……</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我觉得潜力新人,最好不要给他们荣誉,而最好是给他们资助。因为太早到来的荣誉不是好事。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:资助是有的,得奖者有奖金。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:嗯,那其实就相当于资助性的。如果那种新人奖,其地位不算高,那也可以。但黑蓝还是挺有影响力的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:您觉得黑蓝挺有影响力?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:是啊,写小说的基本上都知道,尤其是年轻人。至少我知道的是这样。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:比如?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:比如这里的一些写小说的,耿占春、还有一些年轻人。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:你是指海南那边?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:是啊,其他地方,比如北京也有。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:如果让你把黑蓝比作一个人,在你心目中这个“人”是什么样的?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我想想啊……男的,一个二十七八岁的男青年,雄心勃勃,观念狂热,但是,对真实世界缺乏经验。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">童末:那你觉得,“他”还需要哪些品质?</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: \'Times New Roman\'; mso-hansi-font-family: \'Times New Roman\';">谭毅:我觉得除了智力高超的辅助之外,还需要凭借经验取胜吧。那么这个精力旺盛的年轻人要变得成熟,眼光开阔,深刻,洞察世事。</span><span lang="EN-US"><br/><br/><br/></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; 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